I feel like that between space, that liminal space, is a place where we were living for so long, and many of us still living in that between space of, How do I go into the world safely, and how do I move through the world with safety and care-take myself and care-take others. Thats really hard. Thats such a wonderful question. But I want you to read it second, because what I found in Bright Dead Things, which was a couple of years before that, certainly pre-pandemic, in the before times, was the way you wrote, a way that you spoke of the same story of yourself. Tippett: I love that. Before I bury him, I snap a photo and beg, my brother and my husband to witness this, nearly clear body. Two families, two different and gloss. And that there was this break when we moved from pictographic language, which is characters which directly refer to the things spoken, and when we moved to the phonetic alphabet. So it had this kind of wonderful way of existing in an aliveness of a language, aliveness of a second language as opposed to just sort of a need to get something or to use. I just saw her. I feel like theres a level in which it offers us a place to be that feels closer to who we are, because there is always that interesting moment where someone asks you who you are, even just the simple question of, How are you? If we really took a minute to think about it, How am I? Just back to this idea that there is this organic automatically breathing thing of which were part, and that we even have to rediscover that. If you think about it, its not a good Listen Download Transcript. until every part of it is run through with And I was in the backyard by myself, as many of us were by ourselves. Becoming whole, she teaches, is not about eradicating our wounds and weaknesses; rather, the way we deal with losses, large and small, shapes our capacity to be present to all of our experiences. It is the world and the trees and the grasses and the birds looking back. but witnessed. the ego and the obliteration of ego, enough Unknown. And poetry, and poetry. Yeah. that thered be nothing left in you, like We can forget this. And place is always place. We live in a world in love with the form of words that is an opinion and the way with words that is an argument. Our closing music was composed by Gautam Srikishan. my brother and my husband to witness this, nearly clear body. I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Yeah. to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward I think its very dangerous not to have hope. It has ever and always been true, David Whyte reminds us, that so much of human experience is a conversation between loss and celebration. Dr. Rachel Naomi Remen is one of the wise people in our world. so mute its almost in another year. She trained as a doctor in a generation that understood death as a failure of medicine. Dont get me wrong, I do Learn more at kalliopeia.org. You said a minute ago that the poetry has breath built into it, and you said also that, you have said: its meant to make us breathe. No, question marks. Alice Parker Singing Is the Most Companionable of Arts. Theres how I dont answer the phone, and how I sometimes like to lie down on the floor in the kitchen and pretend Im not home when people knock. Can you locate that? I love it that youre already thinking that. by being not a witness, Tippett: I think grief is something that is very We have so much to grieve even as we have so much to walk towards. I wonder if Im here again today or in a new place. And that was really essential to my practice of who I was as a creative person in the middle of such an enormous tragedy. In a political and cultural space that rewards certainty, ferments argument, and hastens closure, we nourish and resource the interplay between inner life, outer life, and life together. And is it okay for me to spend time looking at this tree? Musings and tools to take into your week. the world walking in, ready to be ravaged, open for business. several years later and a changed world later. Each of us imprints the people in the world around us . [laughs] And I think Id just like to end with a few more poems. And I love it, but I think that you go to it, as a poet, in an awareness of not only its limitations and its failures, but also very curious about where you can push it in order to make it into a new thing. We honor poets and poetry as necessary companions in mustering words spacious and generous enough to reach across the mystery of ourselves and the mystery of each other. The Fetzer Institute, supporting a movement of organizations applying spiritual solutions to societys toughest problems. Copyright 2023. I have, before, been, tricked into believing , there are these two poems on facing pages, that both have fire in the title. And he had a little cage, I would make sure he was And he would get bundled up and carried from house to house. In this spirit, our ecosystem of offerings launching across 2023 serve a far-flung global web of listeners/practitioners. Many of us were having different experiences. The fear response, the stress response, it had so many other kinds of ripple effects that were so perplexing. Yeah. So Im hoping. you can keep it until its needed, until you can With. It suddenly just falls apart [laughter], Limn: and I feel like there are moments that I travel a lot in South America, with my husband, and by the end of the second week, my brain has gone. Yes I am. But I trust those moments. I think there was also he also was a singer, so he would just sing. The Osprey Foundation a catalyst for empowered, healthy, and fulfilled lives. And here was something that was so well crafted and people to this day will say its one of the most expert villanelles ever written its so well crafted, and yet it doesnt actually offer any answers. In me, a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. When you open the page, theres already silence. And thought, How am I right now at this moment? Okay. One of the most fascinating developments of our time is that human qualities we have understood in terms of virtue experiences weve called spiritual are now being taken seriously by science as intelligence as elements of human wholeness. like the flag, how it undulates in the wind And I remember sitting on my sofa where I spent an inordinate amount of time, and reading it. Tippett: You said a minute ago that the poetry has breath built into it, and you said also that, you have said: its meant to make us breathe. Then three years later, Tippett left American Public Media to create her own production company, Krista Tippett Public Productions, which has aligned with WNYC/New York Public Radio to distribute the show to affiliates nationwide. I dont know why this, but this. And I remember reading it was Elizabeth Bishops. I am too used to nostalgia now, a sweet escape. Thats so wonderful. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. Stood for the many mute mouths of the sea, of the land? The notion of frontier inner frontiers, outer frontiers weaves through this hour. And I knew that at 15. We are located on Dakota land. The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. Limn: I do think I enjoy it. I was so fascinated when I read the earlier poem. Limn: [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. is so bright and determined like a flame, July 4, 2022 9:00 am. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. Limn: Kind of true. And it was this moment of like, Oh, this is abundance. Tippett: I chose a couple of poems that you wrote again that kind of speak to this. Youre never like, Oh, Im just done grieving. I mean, you can pretend you are, right, but we arent. Once it has been witnessed, and buried, I go about my day, which isnt, ordinary, exactly, because nothing is ordinary, now even when it is ordinary. Special thanks this week to Daniel Slager, Yanna Demkiewicz, and Katie Hill at Milkweed Editions. I would say about 50 percent, maybe 60 percent of it was written during the pandemic. But when we talk about the limitations of language in general, I find language is so strange. podcast, this great poetry podcast for a while and. And what of the stanzas, we never sing, the third that mentions no refuge, could save the hireling and the slave? Tippett: I also think aging is underrated. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. And theyre like, Oh, I didnt know that was a thing. [laughs]. Actually, thats in Bright Dead Things. And so thats really a lot of how I was raised. are your bones, and your bones are my bones, If youre having trouble writing or creating or whatever it is you make, when was the last time you just sat in silence with yourself and listened to what was happening? Youre going to be like, huh. Or youll just be like, That makes total sense to me., At the top of the mountain And it felt like this is the language of reciprocity. I cannot reverse it, the record, chaotic track. To be swallowed And that feels like its an active thing as opposed to a finished thing, a closed thing. Krista interviewed her in 2015, and it quickly became a much-loved show as her voice was just rising in common life. Theres this poem which Ive never heard anybody ask you to read called Where the Circles Overlap, Tippett: In The Hurting Kind. Tippett: Its that Buddhist, the finger pointing at the moon, right? And if its weekly, theres a day of the week and you do it. That its not my neighborhood, and they look beautiful. And then I would say in terms of the sacred, it was always the natural world. So I want to do two more, also from The Carrying. Krista Tippett (2) Rsultats tris par. And I was feeling very isolated. And we all have this, our childhood stories. I think its definitely a writing prompt too, right? Perhaps Once it has been witnessed I never go there very much anymore. Its wonderful. This definitely speaks to that. Tippett: several years later and a changed world later. a certain light does a certain thing, enough Tippett: Thats so wonderful. And I feel like its very interesting when you actually have to get away from it, because you can also do the other thing where you focus too much on the breath. And I think for all of us, kind of mark this, which is important. Before the road So it was always this level in which what was being created and made as he was in my life was always musical. Articles by Krista Tippett on Muck Rack. But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full What happens after we die? And she says, Well, you die, and you get to be part of the Earth, and you get to be part of what happens next. And it was just a very sort of matter-of-fact way of looking at the world. Its almost romantic as we adjust the waxy blue as you said, to give instruction or answers, where to give answers would be to disrespect the gravity of the questions. Page 40. cigarette smoke or expertise in recipes or, reading skills. And then thats also the space for us to sort of walk in as a reader being like, Whats happening here? Before I bury him, I snap a photo and beg What would happen if we used our bodies to bargain. Its a prose poem. It comes back to these questions of like, Why do I get to be lucky in this way? From the earliest years of his career, he investigated how emotions are coded in the muscles of our faces, and how they serve as moral sensory systems. He was called on as Emojis evolved; he consulted on Pete Docters groundbreaking movie Inside Out. Tippett: And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. So its this weird moment of being aware of it and then also letting it go at the same time. Interesting. So my interest, when I get into conversation with a poet, is not to talk about poetry, but to delve into what this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being fully human this adventure were all on that is by turns treacherous and heartbreaking and revelatory and wondrous. by even the ageless woods, the shortgrass plains, And when people describe you as a poet, theyll talk about things about intimacy and emotional sincerity and your observations of the natural world. Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and . And the Lilly Endowment, an Indianapolis-based, private family foundation dedicated to its founders interests in religion, community development, and education. And now we have watched it in these 25 years go from strength, to strength, to strength. [laughter] Were like, Ugh, I feel calmer.. Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. And I feel like theres a level of mystery thats allowed in the poem that feels like, Okay, I can maybe read this into it, I can put myself into it, and it becomes sort of its own thing. In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. Its still the elements. It is the world and the trees and the grasses and the birds looking back. Sometimes youre, and so much of its. Its the , Limn: We literally. Yeah. So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. And there are times where I think people have said as a child, Oh, you come from a broken home. And I remember thinking, Its not broken, its just bigger. So that even when youre talking about the natural world: we are of it not in it. And I knew immediately that it was a love poem and a loss poem. She hosted On Being on the radio for about two decades. edges of the world, smudged by mist, a squirrels. So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. I am human, enough I am alone and I am desperate, I was actually born at home. And then there are times in a life, and in the life of the world, where only a poem perhaps in the form of the lyrics of a song, or a half sentence we ourselves write down can touch the mystery of ourselves, and the mystery of others. and hand, the space between. And for us, it was Sundays. There is so much actionable knowledge in the tour of the ecosystem of our bodies that Kimberley Wilson takes us on this hour. wind? Can you locate that? What if we stood up with our synapses and flesh and said. adrienne maree brown "We are in a time of new suns" On Being with Krista Tippett Society & Culture "What a time to be alive," adrienne maree brown has written. It began as "Speaking of Faith" in July 2003, and was renamed On Being in 2010. Dont get me wrong, I do, like the flag, how it undulates in the wind. We offer it here as an audio experience, and we think you will enjoy being in . Yeah, I think theres so much value in grief. Seems like a good place for a close-eyed It is still the wind. For me, I have pain, so Ive moved through the body in pain. And I would just have these whole moments when people would be like, Oh, and then well meet in person. And I was like, , I dont want you to witness my body. Woodworking and the meaning of life. I think there were these moments that that quietness, that aloneness, that solitude, that as hard as they were, I think hopefully weve learned some lessons from that. Tippett: You hosted this, The Slowdown podcast, this great poetry podcast for a while and. These are heavier, page 86 and page 87. sometimes buried without even a song. thats sung in silence when its too hard to go on, that sounds like someones rough fingers weaving, into anothers, that sounds like a match being lit, in an endless cave, the song that says my bones. Yeah. And we think, Well, what are we supposed to do with that silence? And we read naturally for meaning. water, enough sorrow, enough of the air and its ease, So at this point in my notes, I have three words in bold with exclamation points. Yeah. if we declared a clean night, if we stopped being terrified, if we launched our demands into the sky, made ourselves so big. the drama, and the acquaintances suicide, the long-lost So it was always this level in which what was being created and made as he was in my life was always musical. She loves the ocean. Out here, theres a bowing even the trees are doing. enough of can you see me, can you hear me, enough I mean, isnt this therapeutic also for us all to laugh about this now, also to know that we can laugh about it now? And then in this moment it was we cared for each other by being apart. Then in 2018, she published a brilliant essay called "Complicating the Narratives," which she opened by confessing a professional existential crisis. These are heavier, page 86 and page 87. We nurture virtues that build muscle memory towards sustained new realities including generous listening, embodied presence, and transformative relationship across backgrounds and lived experience. Supporting organizations and initiatives that uphold a sacred relationship with life on Earth. A few years ago, Krista hosted an event in Detroit a city in flux on the theme of raising children. But in reality its home to so many different kind of wildlife. Because I couldnt decide which ones I wanted you to read. She created and hosts the public radio program and podcast On Being . bliss before you know And together you kind of have this relationship. Which I hadnt had before. Copyright 2023, And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our. To love harder? Youre going to be like, huh. Or youll just be like, That makes total sense to me., The thesis. And for a long time Sundays kind of unsettled me, even as an adult. Tippett: this is how vitality looks like. Look, we are not unspectacular things. is a murderous light, so strong. But you said I dont know, I just happened to be I saw you again today. In between my tasks, I find a dead fledgling, And it wasnt until really, when I was writing that poem that the word came to me. And isnt it strange that breathing is something that we have to get better at? Oh, Im stressed. Oh, if you want to know about stress, let me tell you, Im stressed., I like to tell my friends when they say theyre really stressed, Ill be like, Oh, I took the most wonderful nap. I have people who ask me, How do you write poems? And you talk about process. beneath us, and I was just I think I enjoy getting older. And to not have that bifurcated for a moment. Is where that poem came from. I think the failure of language is what really draws me to poetry in general. no hot gates, no house decayed. We read for sense. I think I trusted its unknowing and its mystery in a way that I distrusted maybe other forms of writing up until then. On Being with Krista Tippett On Being Studios Poetry Unbound On Being Studios Becoming Wise On Being Studios This Movie Changed Me On Being Studios Creating Our Own Lives On Being Studios More ways to shop: Find an Apple Store or other retailer near you. But I think theres so much in this poem thats about that idea that the thesis thats returned to the river. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. and I never knew survival I mean, I do right now. I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. for all its gross tenderness, a joke told in a sunbeam, Tippett: That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. Yeah. Krista Tippett, Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living. , its woven through everything. If you would like to hear an uplifting message at a time of global difficulty, come hear Krista Tippett speak at Central Congregational Church in Providence RI at 6:30 pm, Saturday, December 3. It wasnt used as a tool. If you are here, you are likely already part of this. And so its giving room to have those failures be a breaking open and for someone else to stand in it and bring whatever they want to it. Harley at seven years old. strong and between sleep, The conversation of this hour always rises as an early experience that imprinted everything that came after at On Being. I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. What Amanda has been gathering by way of answers to that question is an extraordinary gift to us all. On her show she promoted her new book, Einstein's God, and if the show is any indication, this new enterprise promises to be a fun fest for people inclined . Okay, Im going to give you some choices. Oh, definitely. And then to do it on top of really global grief, that is a very kind of different work because then you think, Well, who am I to look at this flower? But I mean, Ive listened to every podcast shes done, so Im aware. [audience laughs] And he had a little cage, I would make sure he was And he would get bundled up and carried from house to house. God, which I dont think were going to get to talk about today. Yeah, there wasnt a religious practice. This is amazing. Few books have been more eagerly passed from hand to hand with delight in these last years than Robin Wall Kimmerers Braiding Sweetgrass. to pick with whoever is in charge. I dont expect you to have the page number memorized. We inhabit a liminal time between what we thought we knew and what we cant quite yet see. The one that always misses where Im not, Sometimes it feels like language and poetry, I often start with sounds. And I know that when I discovered it for myself as a teenager that I thought, Oh, this is more like music where its like something is expressing itself to you and you are expressing yourself to it. If you had thought about it And you said that this would be the poem that would mean that you would never be Poet Laureate. no one has been writing the year lately. Alex Cochran, Deseret News. I think there were these moments that that quietness, that aloneness, that solitude, that as hard as they were, I think hopefully weve learned some lessons from that. Limn: Yeah. And I think there was this moment where I was like, Oh, Im just sort of living to see what happens next. And the grief is also giving me a reason to get up. Krista Tippett is Peabody Award-winning broadcaster and New York Times best-selling author. Now, somethings, breaking always on the skyline, falling over Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. This definitely speaks to that. its like staring into an original And the Q has the tail of a monkey, and weve forgotten this. Shes written, Science polishes the gift of seeing, Indigenous traditions work with gifts of listening and language. An expert in moss a bryologist she describes mosses as the coral reefs of the forest. Robin Wall Kimmerer opens a sense of wonder and humility for the intelligence in all kinds of life we are used to naming and imagining as inanimate. Bottlebrush trees attract We think time is always time. Yeah. Lean Spirituality. What were talking about and not when we talk about mental health. And you could so a lot of what he knew in Spanish and remembered in Spanish were songs. And there are times where I think people have said as a child, Oh, you come from a broken home. And I remember thinking, Its not broken, its just bigger. by even the ageless woods, the shortgrass plains, the Red River Gorge, the fistful of land left. We literally. Definitely. and isnt that enough? Come back, And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our Foundations for Being Alive Now. Before the dogs chain. But when we talk about the limitations of language in general, I find language is so strange. and the one that is so relieved to finally be home. And theres sort of an invitation at the end. How are you?. And the Sonoma Coast is a really special place in terms of how its been preserved and protected throughout the years. nest rigged high in the maple. And also that phrase, as Ive aged. You say that a lot and I would like to tell you that you have a lot more aging to do. This conversation shines a light on an emerging ecosystem in our world over and against the drumbeat of what is fractured and breaking: working with the complex fullness of reality, and cultivating old and new ways of seeing, to move towards a transformative wholeness of living. And I think when were talking about this, were talking about who we are right now, because were all carrying this. And that there was this break when we moved from pictographic language, which is characters which directly refer to the things spoken, and when we moved to the phonetic alphabet. And it was this moment of like, Oh, this is abundance. And the last voice that you hear singing at the end of our show is Cameron Kinghorn. What happens after we die? And she says, Well, you die, and you get to be part of the Earth, and you get to be part of what happens next. And it was just a very sort of matter-of-fact way of looking at the world. And its continual and that it hits you sometimes. 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