To the best of my knowledge, everything posted in the CES Letter and on my website is completely accurate and solidly based in Church history. But the world has changed in the My goal has been to get official I have sought official answers to the LDS Church's truth crisis through official channels. - President J. Reuben Clark, "If a faith will not bear to be investigated; if its preachers and professors are afraid to have it examined, their foundation must be very weak." ", Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' out of LDS Church, Author Jeremy Runnells Resigns From LDS Church at Excommunication Hearing in American Fork, Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' Resigns from Mormon Church. If you are not sure that your membership is still carried on the LDS records, you can call the LDS Church Membership Dept. clearly demonstrated to you the following principles and concepts: These principles and values are my principles and values. You have consistently With such a sketchy track record, what credibility do these 15 men in Salt Lake have? Anything less is an obstruction to the free agency of the individual.. The Church's own essays (https://www.lds.org/topics/essays?lang=eng) discredit many of the "[19] Runnells responded to the videos in a Facebook post, reposting a video calling them a "dishonest smear campaign". Where I have erred or made mistakes, I have publicly corrected. See Book of Mormon Central, "Why Was Martin Harris Cut Off from the Church? theories promoting a bizarre version of Mormonism that Chapel Mormons would not recognize. I asked to meet on March 15th because I have a very close family member in hospice and near death. imagination of members who hear excommunication because of "conduct unbecoming a member" and "additional information"). Steve Bloor: Former Mormon bishop critical of church accuses it of 'excommunication by the backdoor' The 51-year-old podiatrist said he was told last week that his name had been removed from the . You ask: "Explain your seeking funding on the internet to address and develop new material related to your concerns that you have with Church being disciplined for moral failings (i.e. scripture. Runnells receives a text message from Ivins' secretary asking if Runnells could come in to meet with Ivins in his church office in two days (January 26, Religious societies have the right to deal with members disorderly conduct, D&C 134:10. Elder James J. Hamula, a member of the Quorum of the Seventy, was released and excommunicated, the @LDSchurch said. Published materials and participated in interviews which have attempted to discredit the Church; Publicly expressed your view that the Church's scriptures are fraudulent; and. Among these admissions: "Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects unrighteous in the beginning of our November 2, 2014 meeting, I am also copying/pasting the relevant part that helps to answer your question: I didn't wake up one day and decide to create CES Letter and cesletter.org. I have done nothing wrong to warrant this kind of response let alone a disciplinary council. Runnells' beloved grandfather passes. I believe President Joseph Fielding Smith when he wrote: "Mormonism, as it is called, must stand or fall on the story of Joseph Smith. However, if it continues, there are some that will issue a letter stating that a court will be held to determine their membership status. It has become obvious from my meetings with church leaders that they are only interested in blind obedience at the expense of willingness to publicly correct any mistakes and errors in the CES Letter and website. These values are ingrained into my own DNA. Dehlin's press release Tuesday insisting that they were factors. Excommunication is the most severe Church disciplinary action. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. and integrity. President Ivins assured Runnells that he wanted to help, and that he would obtain Fortunately, Elder M. Russell Ballard gave a recent talk to the Church Educational System this You will be patient with a process that may not respond immediately to all of your questions. It depends upon the spiritual needs of the person. has became very clear to me that the church does not have answers to their truth crisis. I understand what you consider the "seriousness" and the "consequences" of my actions. Richard Lyman, who held the rank of apostle in the church, was excommunicated in 1943. Prior to his excommunication, Hamula served as the executive director of the Correlation Department, which oversees changes to church doctrine and practice and maintains unity in the wider church. Now, he faces excommunication. The hearts of many were hardened, and their names were blotted out, Alma 1:24 (Alma 6:3). you wanted to help me and that you were going to pull in other folks who could help me. I believe I have answered all of your questions. assist, please let me know. Indeed, I have always been committed to the CES Letter being accurate and up-to-date. People who are expelled from the LDS Church cant take the sacrament, so they are outside (ex) communion. Ivins responds to Runnells' March 12, 2016 @ 3:47pm email with the following 5:05am email (screenshot): After reading your latest email to me, I thought I should be certain that I understand your position. Posted at 9:02 PM, Apr 23, 2021 and last updated 2021 . After 4 years of research and trying to get official answers through official church channels and going through all the unofficial apologetic nonsense, the road has finally led me to the following conclusions: This entire process of trying to get official answers and getting thrown into a disciplinary council close to being spiritually executed has validated and I am resigning because I have come to learn for myself after years of asking for - and being promised - official answers that the LDS Church does not have on the table, both positive and negative. I just couldn't believe that I'd never heard of the polyandry stuff for example, or that Joseph Smith was married to 14-year-old girls. This is not and never has been my intention. blatant dishonest attacks. To this day, I have not been called to repentance and asked to correct any errors or mistakes in the CES Letter or on my website by you or any other Thank you for the clarification on your intention to cancel our March 15th meeting and to communicate via writing. First meeting ever with Stake President Mark Ivins, Runnells introduces himself and explains story of CES Letter, Runnells is surprised to see how poor Ivins' understanding of CES Letter and Essays verified issues are, Runnells gets Ivins to commit to reading the CES Letter before a follow up visit, This is a key important meeting in the whole Kangaroo process, Runnells tests Ivins on his reading/understanding of CES Letter, Ivins refused to give Runnells errors or mistakes in CES Letter but changes position after Runnells corrected him with Handbook "apostasy" definition, Asks if Runnells can come meet with Ivins in two days, Runnells responds that he can meet instead on March 15, 2016 due to family member in hospice, Runnells receives no text message back from secretary, Ivins blindsides Runnells with an unexpected phone call breaking Ivins' 1.5 year silence, Despite knowing before phone call that Runnells requested more time due to family member in hospice, Ivins still demands a meeting in 2 days because he "can't wait that long" (for March 15th), After first declining to disclose, Ivins reluctantly tells Runnells over the phone - much to Runnells' shock - that the suddenly urgent meeting was "in regards to your membership in the church", After some phone arm wrestling and a reminder of Runnells' 1.5 year patience, Ivins agrees to a March 15, 2016 meeting instead, Ivins decides to break January 25th gentleman's agreement, Completely blindsides and shocks Runnells with a Valentine's Day disciplinary council to be held that evening, Uses alarmingly vague insinuations and language such as "additional information" and "conduct unbecoming a member", which Runnells interprets as a character assassination attempt on the part of Ivins and the church, Runnells defends himself and defuses Ivins' vague insinuations and character assasination attempt by doing something Ivins should have done but which didn't: ask Temple worthiness questions, Runnells outlines his defense and history to give Ivins his position and perception that holding a disciplinary court against him is a grotesque injustice, Runnells holds a press conference to discuss Ivins' treatment toward him and Ivins' decision to hold a Valentine's Day evening disciplinary court against him. me exactly what the charges are and why disciplinary action is being taken against me. - He that sinneth and repenteth not shall be cast out, D&C 42:28. The main response is in the attached PDF, which can be read below after email content: See attached PDF for my detailed response to your April 7, 2016 disciplinary court letter. More recently, a Mormon feminist, Kate Kelly, was excommunicated in 2014 after founding a movement that advocated for the ordination of women in the all-male LDS priesthood. Some leaders, like Hans Mattsson, an area authority in Sweden, when Apostasy would be one who flatly denies the divine nature of the Church or is antagonistic towards it. month where he acknowledges this: "Gone are the days when a student asked an honest question and the teacher responded, 'Don't worry about it.' She dares to say out loud what thousands of other people are only thinking to themselves hence the stake presidents admonition that she is strident, public and negative. (The excommunication letter also notes that she has used disparaging and vulgar language to state those opinions, and if we know anything, its that Mormon ladies must be nice and never, ever demean themselves and others with All. defend myself vigorously. The real question here is if the church believes in a healthy and balanced Mormon marketplace of information that includes both positive and [sic]" and to "stop - adultery, rape, spousal abuse, child abuse, child molestation, or whatever other despicable evils left to the The LDS Church has chosen to continue its recent trend of excommunicating members who openly question or doubt LDS foundational truth claims. The probations can simply be with the Bishop and at his discretion without a court, and even with out the counselors being made privy of what is going on (except after the fact, and even then he is not bound to tell them what the offense was, simply that they have had an action occur). . SP was the one who cancelled. on Marth 15th. People of all faiths and perspectives are welcome to engage in civil, respectful discussion about topics related to Mormonism. He was made General Authority in 2008meaning he had to give up his practice as a lawyer and serve the church full timeand spent time in New Zealand before returning to the church's Utah headquarters in 2014. questions and concerns, the church demonstrates that it really is not interested in balance or any real and meaningful intellectual conversation on the These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. I would like to receive your response about that, and about why They will have legitimate questions that remain unanswered. However, my last bishop approached me the last time Dialogue published me congratulating me. What other reasons are there for excommunication? It has validated and confirmed to me that this organization has no divine power or divine mantle behind it. In fact, truth, The free flow of information and a healthy, balanced marketplace of information are, Free agency - supposedly the church's most cherished and foundational principle (after all, Heavenly Father lost 1/3, Runnells responds to Ivins' censorship demands, Runnells updates the public on latest with communications with Stake President Mark Ivins, Ivins ignores Runnells' clarification questions and tries to corner Runnells, Runnells tells Ivins that his understanding is incorrect as he is asking clarification questions about Ivins' demands, Ivins continues to ignore Runnells' clarification questions and sends Runnells another disciplinary council letter, Disciplinary council is set for April 17, 2016 @ 6pm. offering to answer my questions or to find answers to my questions, I have found that rather than getting answers, I instead get silence and ultimately TonightI took back my own power. Also, no worries about preciseness as I have Runnells responded that he had already given his answer to Ivins' secretary and asked if The website exists for the purpose of being able to directly respond, in an organized manner, to those who have attacked me and continue to As mentioned above, the CES Letter went viral online because of other people who also share the same questions and concerns I do, independent of my You have not done this. Runnells - Just checking to see if anything has changed in your schedule that we could meet sometime this week. I'm gonna go in tonight with my head held high, morally clean, and with a clear conscience that I have done nothing wrong. But now, after the press release, press conference, media interviews and tremendous reaction/response on social media, he is willing to move it back to the Additionally, I needed a centralized authorized place for people to Albert Smith, "Mormonism, as it is called, must stand or fall on the story of Joseph Smith. They saw us as the enemy, Spangler said. Who was the last person to be excommunicated from the Catholic Church? commissioned, or he was one of the biggest frauds this world has ever seen. The other two require a court, because it does become part of the record. This letter can be viewed either in PDF or the two images below. It doesnt come from the example of Jesus. I In fact, most of them have created versions of Mormonism that directly contradict the First Presidency's and Quorum of Twelve's version of Mormonism. It told you that you were at heart evil and immoral and only by subordinating your conscience to their decrees could you see yourself as a good person. Mormon blog Thoughts On Things And Stuff did an excellent analysis titled Flip the Script: The How and Why of Jeremy Runnells' Exit. These cookies ensure basic functionalities and security features of the website, anonymously. truth, most of which truths are now verifiable today through the Church's new essays. is: 825 E 500 N, American Fork, Utah. Jeremy Runnells, Author of CES Letter, Faces LDS Church Excommunication FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CES Letter Foundation Phone: 801.609.8301 Email: media@cesletter.org Jeremy Runnells, author of the popular Letter to a CES Director faces excommunication from the LDS Church on charges of apostasy It will be assumed that sin led to your departure. To excommunicate me is an atrocious grotesque injustice. As an act of good faith, while our dialogue takes place, your CES Letter website and any other related or similar websites, blogs, tweets, ect., will be which truths are now verifiable today through the Church's new essays. I will walk into this court on Sunday with my head held high, with a clear conscience, and a complete conviction that I have done nothing wrong. what to do. The following is a scanned copy of the certified letter that I received from Ivins a few days later. In a normal month they usually process 500-1000 over the course of that entire period. The phone call lasted under 2 minutes. an organization withholds, obstructs, inhibits, and censors information - positive or negative - from its members. I don't want you to go to the trouble or expense of obtaining an ASL interpreter. It also takes a lot of resources to help those who have questions and who are trying to liberate themselves and their loved ones, while keeping their dignities intact. You tried to hold a court on me on The church told you that you were not capable of knowing truth without first passing it through the filter of unaccountable old white men. I nowit's a "privilege to work with [me]"? Accordingly, as long as your hearing problems persist, I think it will be better for us to communicate back and forth in writing, which is also what you church and its foundational truth claims. Ivins replies back to Runnells' March 10, 2016 @ 3:04pm email with the following 5:02am email (screenshot): I appreciate your response to my email. No trouble or expense at all. My well-meaning mother has told my 19yr old sister that if she moves in with her boyfriend that she is a candidate for excommunication. questions were significant and the church would best serve its members by providing answers. 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Runnells received a physical April 7, 2016 letter delivered by the Stake Clerk from President Ivins announcing a Disciplinary Court against Runnells to be believe that leaders in the Church are kind, dedicated, loving, caring, well-meaning and very diligent servants to the members. Ivins had received the message from his secretary. (RNS) Natasha Helfer, the Mormon therapist whose views on sexuality resulted in a disciplinary council on Sunday, has been excommunicated from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Wait a minute. Born in Long Beach, California, Hamula rose through the ranks of the church from a missionary in Germany to an Area Seventy, a local version of the General Authorities. The only power that the church has is the power you give them. It's my understanding that there's several of you who have come Runnells holds a press conference to announce and discuss the upcoming disciplinary council as well as to discuss details on what has occurred between Again, show me where I am wrong or where I am teaching something that is factually not true and I will be more than happy to publicly I will be out of the country between March 25, 2016 to April 5, 2016 and will have very limited, if any, access to email and phone. Why still no answers? Taylor Frankie Paul, 28, was arrested on February 17 after throwing a chair at boyfriend Dakota Mortensen. seen as nothing short of Orwellian. freedom of the individual and free agency as one of its most cherished principles. If there are no errors or mistakes, why am I being punished for seeking and sharing the truth? Answer (1 of 25): My ex-communication certified letter signature required was because I chose to live with my boyfriend (at the time/unmarried). He must, Internet Mormon organizations such as FairMormon, Mormon Interpreter, SHIELDS, etc., the CES Letter Foundation accepts donations. you're not the easiest guy to hear). Why is the exmo community up in arms over something they believe to be meaningless to begin with (since being excommunicated from a fraudulent church doesn't mean anything)? My wife will not be attending but I will be bringing an ASL interpreter to ensure that I understand 100% of everything that is said in our meeting. Yet on October 22nd? In addition to including additional information, my updates also included correcting errors and mistakes that came to my attention. areas of Mormon experience. half. Display as a link instead, on the issues troubling so many Latter-day Saints - a conversation, by the way, these Mormon apologists started and initiated first with their attacks simply the philosophies of men mingled with scripture. Does a bishop have the authority to disfellowship someone in his ward without informing them? lies" suddenly became October 22nd's church essay facts. Now that they've used up their leverage they held against you as an idle threat, you are free to roar like you've never roared before!!!!! Why haven't you given me Procedures are given for settling important difficulties in the Church, D&C 102 (D&C 42:8093). In fact, this essay went further than I did by admitting the Temple. Those who are excommunicated can return and have their Church membership readmitted through the process of repentance and baptism . You tried again by announcing the now cancelled March 20th court on me without talking to me. Upload or insert images from URL. confirm about the March 15th meeting with the following 3:04pm email (screenshot): Can you confirm that our meeting on Tuesday, March 15th @ 7:30pm in your office is still on? In the event, if any, that a third disciplinary council is set up against me, I will be sure to let everyone know. bunnzy having been put on probation and disfellowshipped (yes I was a bad girl) I was put on probation through talking with my bishop at the time, I couldn't partake of the sacrament, say prayers, giv. Any one that advocates or is involved in polygamy. Despite the CES Director and Stake President, Mark Ivins, Some of these volunteers have offered the translations before I announced to the public that I was Truth in Church History. It mostly deals with historical issues surrounding the time of the founding of the LDS Church in the 1820s and 1830s, although it does talk about more modern issues as well. refuted, and his doctrines shown to be false. The only real power that this religion has is the power that you give it. Why won't you just answer the questions in [11], No official response from the LDS Church has been released, including from the CES Director to whom Runnells sent his letter; however, Tad R. Callister, general president of the church's Sunday School, while referring to Runnells as an unnamed "critic", wrote that the assertions from Runnells were "rash", "partial truths", and "a classic case of 'presentism'". There will still be work to be done in clearing out the cobwebs of control from your mind but that theme is the most empowering one upon which to do so. After speaking with President Mark Ivins and the High Council tonight, it became very clear to me that it was a kangaroo court. More often than not, if the person is not endowed, it will be disfellowship rather than excommunication, but it is up to the circumstances, etc. Nothing got through to him. Total A few months later in the summer of 2013, unofficial Mormon apologetic group FairMormon decided to publicly post an "analysis" of my letter. court letter. The following is the November 2, 2014 letter Runnells handed to Ivins in the beginning of this meeting (can be read in PDF here) or read below: I am writing this letter to you to make sure that there are no misunderstandings or confusion regarding my response to several of your questions that you The following communications took place between October 19, 2014 to April 17, 2016. church" simply by publishing and discussing the very same information and facts verified today publicly by the church's own essays. He was called to be a stake high counsellor. CES Letter has been downloaded an estimated 600,000 times to date, and over 12,000 LDS Church members have reached out to Runnells after reading the CES Letter. Also is there a time frame, is there follow up required? They were wrong for over 130 years on the blacks. 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